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Sarah was a long time teenage friend of Kai's who eventually had an on and off sexual relationship with Greg and Kai in 2019. Sarah briefly dated Greg in the summer of 2019.
PLEASE NOTE: Greg has multiple versions of events, so there may be multiple versions of his side of some situations. The most notable shifts in his versions of his events are his January 2020 to mid 2020 videos and interviews vs mid 2020 to present videos and interviews. These will be boxed off to avoid confusion on the timeline.
**During some of the events in this article, Kai went by the nicknames "Lainey" or "Lain" and did not yet identify as a trans man. The writing in this article will reflect Kai's current name and pronouns, but images, quotes, and videos may not.
Just A Fan
According to Sarah, at age 11 or 12, she found Greg's videos through Youtube's recommendations. She says the topics he covered like self harm and positivity really spoke to her. She related to a lot of the questions he answered in videos such as what to do when your mom is mean to you or what to do if boys are mean to you in school. She felt like it was cool that an older guy understood the issues she was going through. She said she was in a really bad place in her personal life when she found his channels. Sarah says Greg's videos influenced a lot of her opinions at the time. (Source)
Sarah says when Greg introduced Kai to his audience in 2012, she became more of a fan of Kai's than Greg. (Source) At this point, Kai was active on Tumblr and Twitter and gained fans through those platforms and his appearances in Greg's videos. Kai refused to open his own Youtube channel at this point.
Sarah says she developed a crush on Greg and Kai at age 13. (Source)
Sarah says the first time she contacted Greg was at age 13. She emailed him about not being able to log into his Onision Forums. He answered her with advice on how to get in. She says they did not have a personal conversation at that point. Sarah says she also began Tweeting at Greg a few times around this time. (Source)
Online Friendship With Kai
Sarah says at age 13 she began tweeting at Kai a lot and those Tweets are what got Kai to first notice Sarah. Sarah says most of her tweets were responses to Kai's tweets. For example, if Kai asked Twitter what color he should dye his hair, Sarah would respond. Sarah says Kai began making Sarah his "Woman Crush Wednesday". (Source)
Sarah soon joined a Kik group chat dedicated to Kai's fans. Kai would use the chat to talk to his fans. Regina, a teenage fan turned Kai's online friend, started a friendship with Sarah though this Kik chat. Kai noticed their friendship and asked Regina if Sarah was trustworthy. (Source) Eventually, Kai DM'd Sarah asking how old Sarah was. Sarah told Kai she was 14 and Kai said she looked older. In the conversation, Kai confirmed he was close to turning 20 at this point. (Source) Kai and Sarah later clarified Kai believed Sarah was older because he believed Sarah was a mom due to the photos Sarah would Tweet of her niece and because Sarah would talk about things like breastfeeding. In a 2020 video, Greg claimed he believed Kai began talking to Sarah because Sarah pretended to be a mom. He says Kai felt like he could relate to Sarah being a mom. (Source)
Sarah says by the time she and Kai became friends, she was in a very dark place in her personal life. A few months prior to talking to Kai for the first time she had wanted to end her own life due to things that had happened to her. She wanted something good to happen and she felt like talking to Kai was that good thing that she got for everything else that was going wrong. She describes herself as quiet and insecure at school and she felt that her friendship to Kai was validating. She felt cool because her idol was talking to her. She felt special for getting attention from Kai and felt like it was meant to be. (Source)
The Three Musketeers
At age 14, Sarah received a message from Kai stating he was about to delete Kik and gave Sarah his phone number. (Source) Sarah, Regina, and Kai began talking frequently in a group chat and began calling themselves The Three Musketeers. Sarah claims Kai would talk about his sex life with Greg in this group chat. Sarah also claims Kai told her how big Greg's penis was. (Source)
Regina and Sarah claim Kai began exchanging "thirst traps", or lude photos, with them in their group chat. Regina describes the photos as, "sexually suggestive photos in a bra and underwear with cleavage showing." Sarah says she thought it was innocent because Kai was still identifying as a straight women at this point. (Source)
In January 2015, Kai tweeted an image he described as a "thirst trap" "curtsey of Sarah." The image featured Kai laying suggestively with a censored bar covering his body. Many viewers believed Kai to be nude in the photo and called him out for sending a nude to a minor. To defend himself, Kai tweeted a version of the photo without the censored bar. The photo was still partially censored with pink scribbles. In the photo, Kai was wearing panties and a low cut tank top. Kai claimed he only sent it to Sarah because he needed Sarah to help his edit the photo. (Source) Kai also defends himself by saying he was wearing a shirt in the photo. (Source)
Sarah says she and Kai became close and would FaceTime all the time and stay up late together. She recalls the night before her sophomore year of high school, they stayed up until 2am talking. She says she did whatever Kai wanted to do because she was such a huge fan and thought it was so cool she was friends with Kai. (Source)
Sarah claims the first time she saw Greg on Facetime was when she was 14. She was FaceTiming Kai and when Greg walked into the room, Kai hung up on Sarah. Kai told Sarah he was worried about Greg knowing he had an online 14 year old friend. Kai soon realized Greg didn't care and since then Greg would sometimes be in the background of their FaceTime calls. Sarah said she didn't talk to Greg at this point because as she became better friends with Kai, she didn't like Greg's personality as much anymore. (Source)
Sarah claims the first time Kai showed a picture of her to Greg, Greg responded, "oh, she's cute." (Source)
Regina also claims in her early Skype calls with Kai, Kai would try to hide her from Greg. (Source)
Regina claims the three of them would speak about how they could all run away together to get Kai away from Greg. This is something Sarah claims she continued to speak to Kai about over the years. When Greg and Kai would have a bad fight, Kai would text Sarah "Zillow time" and the two would look at houses they planned to move into together when they would run away. Sarah claims at one point Kai asked her if he and Greg were to get a divorce, if Sarah would marry him. (Source)
Flirty Tweets
Anti-Onision Tumblr blogs began to take notice of 20 year old Kai's friendship with a 14 year old fan due to their seemingly flirty public twitter interactions. Kai claims all of these Tweets were banter and he and Sarah were making fun of the Tumblr blogs thinking something was going on. On the other hand, Kai was a well known flirt on Twitter and flirted with many girls publicly on there. Kai says this is how he compliments people. (Source) Greg and Sarah confirmed this was how Kai normally behaved at the time on Twitter during a 2017 livestream. (Source)
- In January 2015, Sarah changed her Twitter name to "Jailbait." Kai admits he used that name with Sarah, but claims it was the internet who came up with the name. (Source)
- January 22, 2015 - Sarah participated in a flirty thread started by Kai and Greg resulting in Kai telling Sarah to go "into the dungeon." Again, Kai and Sarah defended this interaction saying it was just a joke. (Source)
- February 5, 2015 - Kai Tweets at Sarah and Regina "yeah I have a meal for you [smirk emoji]"
- April 23, 2015 - Kai tweeted at Sarah "I'm in love with you"
- Sarah tweets "Cute girls who are 18+ should hmu". Kai promotes the tweet and says "Do this".
- Sarah and Kai began referring to each other as their "girlfriend" on social media. This lead some viewers into believing they were in a relationship. Sarah retweeted a fan defending Sarah and Kai saying it's no one's business how old Sarah is and what her relationship to Kai is.
- Sarah texts a sexual meme with Squidward to Kai. Kai screen shots the meme and posts it to twitter. Kai sets his contact image in his phone for Sarah to the Squidward meme. Sarah finds out when Kai posts a screen shot containing the image. Kai defends himself by saying it was not sexual and says he would have posted it as a Tweet anyway. (Source)
- Kai replies to an image of Sarah saying he thought it was himself for a second. Sarah replies "we're twins af". Kai replies "I'm grooming you nicely." Kai defends himself by saying he was making fun of a Tumblr blog that said he was grooming Sarah and that Sarah was going to be the 2nd wife. Sarah later said she did not know what grooming meant when she exchanged these tweets with Kai. (Source)
"Into the dungeon"
"Meal for you"
Kai in love w Sarah
18+ HMU
Sarah calls Kai her Girlfriend
Dating rumors
Squidward Meme
Squidward Contact Image
"Grooming you nicely"
When Greg commented on the accusation of Kai flirting with Sarah while she was a minor, he said he didn't monitor Kai's social media or see the texts between Kai and Sarah. He says he only saw a meme and it was "fucking stupid." He says he didn't see interest from Kai for Sarah. (Source)
In January 2019, Kai admitted his public Twitter interactions with Sarah were inappropriate and apologized. He maintains he was not flirting, that it was all a joke mostly based on other people believing something was going on between them. He says he did not understand at the time that it was inappropriate because he was very young and uneducated. (Source)
Age 15
In January 2016, Kai and Greg break up for a short period after their first polyamorous relationship with Billie due to Greg being intimate with Billie behind Kai's back. Sarah claims after Greg and Kai got back together, Greg refused to talk about the situation with Kai. Greg would tell Kai, "move on or divorce me. I don't want to talk about this. I don't care if your feelings are hurt." So, Kai turned to Sarah for emotional support. Sarah says she would let Kai talk about whatever he wanted however long he wanted all day. She would try to sit there and help him. (Source)
The dynamic of Sarah filling in as emotional support for Kai when Greg did not want to fill that role became a prominent part of their relationship. It was so prevalent, the drama image board lolcow referred to Sarah by the nickname "Tissue" for years.
Greg has also referenced and spoken about this dynamic in videos. One example is in a 2016 video. He explains, "as some of you may know, my wife and I have had moments where we aren't necessarily on great terms on each other and in those moments my wife sometimes needs a friend to talk to. Queue: Sarah." (Source)
Sarah claims because of this, they became super close and Kai eventually confessed he like her. Sarah says Kai was aware she was into women. Sarah says she didn't say she liked Kai outright, but made a tweet about her feelings for him. Sarah claims Kai asked who the Tweet was about. Sarah said him, and Kai said he felt the same. (Source)
Sarah claims they began speaking romantically. She claims they would play 20 questions, Kai would ask if she was submissive, dominant, or a switch. Sarah now says looking back she was only 15 and didn't know about any of that. (Source)
Sarah also claims she sent at least one topless photo to Kai at age 15. (Source) Kai has never publicly defended himself against this claim, but Greg had spoken about it in 2020. Greg claims Kai would never exchanged photos with Sarah because Kai isn't into porn, except for gifs of men kissing guys on Kai's tumblr. (Source)
While Kai had a tumblr, he was known to re-blog and like erotic, nude, and phonographic images of women. This began years before Kai came out publicly as bisexual. Greg was well aware of this and at in 2016 he Tweeted a screen shot of Kai re-blogging an erotic photo of two women with the caption, "I'm married to the coolest human." (Source)
Sarah claims in February 2016, Kai was upset one night about the Billie situation and Greg reassured Kai by telling him it was okay and they could just wait for Sarah to turn 18. "Why don't we just wait for Sarah?" Sarah says due to this, she believed they were going to be in a relationship. (Source) At this point, Sarah was 15, Kai was 21, and Greg was 30.
When Greg was asked about this conversation during an interview, he responded by asking if Sarah provided proof of that being said. When the interviewer said no, Greg said, "well then she's a fucking idiot." When the interviewer said he believed it was verbal Greg responded, "Yeah, she's a fucking idiot." (Source)
Around June 2016, Kai and Greg were back together with Billie. Sarah claims talk of her potentially being in a relationship with Kai ended when Kai got back together with Billie. (Source)
First Visit
Sarah says Greg and Kai began planning Sarah's first visit when she was 15. Sarah claims Greg and Kai agreed upon waiting for Sarah to turn 16 before she visited because the legal age of consent in Washington is 16. She said when she was told, she agreed with this decision because she believed they just wanted to be safe and to avoid anyone thinking anything is going on. (Source)
Sarah says Kai called her one day crying, asking if she would come to his baby shower in a few months. The baby shower was a month after Sarah's 16th birthday. (Source) Sarah says she asked for her 16th birthday present to be a plane ticket to Washington. (Source)
Sarah claims before she visited, Kai would talk about kissing her after she turned 16 and said it wouldn't be illegal for him to kiss her. (Source)
Sarah says she visited for the first time September 15th to the 21st. She claims Greg was super nice to her during this visit. She claims he would pat her hair and told her, "you're so mature for your age, I feel like I'm hanging out with a 20-year-old." Sarah also claims Kai would put his legs on her and said it was a "weird vibe." (Source) Sarah also claims one of the first things Greg said to her was, "your face looks like how cream soda feels going down your throat." (Source)
Sarah and Greg both acknowledge Sarah was interested in Kai when she began visiting. Kai denies this. Greg says they didn't pursue Sarah during her first visit because Kai was dating Billie. He says Sarah's age gap with Kai was legal, but awkward. (Source)
Theater Incident
During the visit, Kai, Sarah, Greg, and Billie went to the movies together. Kai and Billie were intimate while at the theater and Greg noticed Sarah was visibly upset. Greg claims Sarah was to the point of crying. Sarah says she was weirded out and hurt.
Greg claims he stopped Sarah by the drinking fountains and told her she's not in a relationship, she's just a friend. Sarah claims Greg told her she didn't need to be upset and was emotionally supportive.
Sarah claims after they got back to the house, Greg took her down to the basement and told her the relationship isn't a triangle (referring to Billie, Kai, and Greg's relationship), it's a square because Sarah is very important to Kai. Sarah says this confused her, but apparently Greg meant friendship.
Greg claims he told her there's four of them, they all have a seat at the table, but she's not part of the relationship. He says she seemed to understand at the time. He says there were a lot of misunderstandings, but they were never in a relationship. (Source)
Billie's friend Ayalla also claimed Greg used the "it's not a triangle, it's a square" line with her when she visited while Sarah was there. She said she didn't know if the fourth person Greg was referring to was herself or Sarah. (Source)
Internet Backlash
Viewers from gossip sites and blogs became concerned when finding out about Sarah's visit to Greg and Kai's home and believed Greg and Kai or just Kai was trying to start a romantic and/or sexual relationship with her. This was due to a few factors. The first being Kai's history of publicly interacting in a flirty manner with Sarah since Sarah was 14. The next was that Greg and Kai had been public about their search for a third for about a year at that point. Lastly, it was obvious Kai and Greg had waited for Sarah to turn 16 before her first visit due to the age of consent in Washington being 16. 16 being the age of consent in Washington is something Greg mentioned a lot of his channels due to previously being in 2 public relationships with 17-year-olds.
One concerned viewer called Greg and Kai's local police. Kai says they spoke to the police and were told everything was fine. (Source)
Greg responded to the situation in the September 18th video "The Truth About My Spouse (& 16 Year Old Friend)". In the video, Greg exaggerated the internet's concerns, claiming the internet believed he and Kai were recruiting Sarah to be a sex slave. He also claimed these rumors were based on the fact Kai is bisexual, which he says is bi-phobic. He said Kai is thinking about taking legal action because Sarah's private information was released. He says Sarah and Kai's relationship is innocent and asks viewers to back off because Sarah's mother is supportive and is angry at the internet. He says the police officer was also angry because the internet wasted their time when they could be focusing on far more important things. (Source)
First Time Living With Kai & Greg
Sarah was invited to live in Greg and Kai's home due to problems she was having in her home life. Sarah says one night she was crying and texting her best friend, Kai, after something had happened to her. Kai told Sarah he was going to seriously talk to Greg about Sarah moving in. Sarah says before this, Kai would only joke about Sarah moving in. (Source)
Kai says he decided to help Sarah because he had seen several things done to Sarah while she was living at home. He says Sarah's home was not a healthy environment for her. Kai says he knew Sarah also wanted to go to college in Washington, so her living there would help her get Washington state residency to get resident tuition, which is cheaper. Kai says it was beneficial to everyone. (Source)
Kai and Sarah say Kai helped Sarah look into ways to get her out of her home life for a whole year before deciding Sarah should move in. They say the alternatives, such as emancipation, were too complicated. Kai says Sarah's mother was willing to sign over guardianship of Sarah to himself, so that was the easiest option. Kai says Sarah's mother knows Kai and trusts him to take care of Sarah. (Source)
Later on, in 2020, Greg began using the fact that Sarah's mother allowed Sarah to live with himself and Kai as evidence that there was something wrong with Sarah and her own mother wanted nothing to do with her. Greg claims Sarah's mother offered to pay himself and Kai for Sarah's food, but they didn't accept money because they felt they were just helping a friend. (Source)
Sarah claims as she was planning to move, she contacted Kai for information and Kai told her he didn't know what was going on with his relationship, due to issues he was having with Billie and Greg. Sarah says this made her feel brushed off and felt Kai wasn't as serious about her moving as he made it out to be. Sarah claims one day Kai told Sarah he thinks the key to making his relationship with Billie and Greg work was for Sarah to move in to become a "problem solver" because last time Sarah visited, Billie was nicer to Kai. (Source)
Sarah says her mother was fine with her living with Greg and Kai. She says her mother gave her money every month so Sarah could get what she needed while living in Washington. (Source) Sarah's mother signed over power of attorney to Kai in early November 2016. Sarah says this was so that if there was an emergency, Kai and Greg would have rights to make medical decisions for her. Sarah claims Greg joked they would have the right to pull the plug on her. (Source)
Sarah also claims before her second trip to Greg and Kai's home, her mother expressed concern for Sarah saying she believed Greg and Kai used Sarah emotionally. Sarah says she denied this to her mother. (Source) Sarah says at this point her mother was not aware of the sexual stuff she claimed went on between herself and Kai.
Legality
There was a lot of confusion about what legal relationship Kai and Sarah had due to differing explanations from Kai, Greg, and Sarah throughout the years. The first the public heard was Sarah and Kai saying Kai is Sarah's legal guardian during a February 2017 livestream. In the livestream, Kai explained that Sarah's mother signed over guardianship of Sarah to Kai. Kai claimed it was notarized and he currently had legal guardianship of Sarah. When someone commented they were uncomfortable with a 30 year old man having legal guardianship over a teen, Kai responded that Greg did not have guardianship. (Source)
In 2017, Greg said he and Kai were like foster parents to Sarah and he saw her as a little sister. (Source)
In 2020, Greg described it as just a signed piece of paper that said they could help if there was a medical or legal issue with Sarah. Greg claims it wasn't official because it wasn't notarized. (Source)
Due to Kai gaining power of attorney over Sarah, he had full and complete control over Sarah's bank account until she turned 18. Sarah claims at some point in the future, Kai admitted to her that whenever they would get into a fight, he would check her bank statements to find out where she was and what she was doing. (Source)
Internet Finds Out
In the beginning, it seemed Greg, Kai, and Sarah tried to keep the fact that she was living in their home a secret from the internet. She did not appear in any of their videos and her being there was never mentioned on their social media. The internet became aware Sarah was in the home when she posted a Halloween selfie taken in Greg and Kai's bathroom. (Source) After that, she appeared in an Onision video, but wore a mask and asked to be called "Smith." In the video, Greg commented that Sarah trying to hide her identity was stupid and continually called her Sarah throughout the video. (Source)
After that initial masked video, Sarah frequently participated in Greg and Kai's videos. She also appeared in selfies with Greg and Kai on social media. Despite Sarah appearing in videos with Greg and Kai for the next three months, none of them ever provided the internet with an explanation for why she was there. As the months went on, people began to question more and more why she was there for so long and if she was missing school.
Greg later claimed he barely hung out with Sarah while she lived there and he would only play video games with her every other week. This does not seem to be the case, supported by how frequently they made sketches, video game videos, and took selfies together. (Source)
It seems Greg would sometimes play up the controversy Sarah's age brought to his channel, once naming a video "Onision Violates A Teenage Girl (in MGO)". (Source)
Billie and Ayalla
While Sarah lived with Greg and Kai, they were still on and off with their girlfriend Billie. At one point, Billie brought her friend Ayalla to the house to stay during her trip. Sarah claims Billie and Ayalla would question why Sarah was living there and that they were confused by the situation. (Source) Billie, Ayalla, and Sarah got along while they were together. Billie describes her relationship with Sarah at the house as good friends. (Source)
Sarah says while she lived at the house, she would mostly have to take care of Kai due to all the relationship drama Kai was going through with Billie and Greg. (Source) Sarah says one day Greg and Kai were debating if they were going to let Billie and Ayalla stay another week or not. They brought Sarah into the bathroom and they told Sarah she was the "decider." Sarah says she didn't give the answer Greg wanted, so he said "why are we asking a 16 year old?" Ayalla confirms she remembers this incident. (Source)
Kai says while Billie and Ayalla were in the home, he was angry at everyone so he wouldn't hang out with them. He would only hang out with Sarah while everyone else hung out downstairs. (Source)
Greg claims whenever Kai had relationship issues with Billie, Sarah would talk crap about Billie and Ayalla. He says maybe she was trying to be a good friend to Kai, but suggests there might be another reason. (Source)
When Sarah was asked if Kai would tattle to Greg when he wanted people removed from the house, Sarah said they all did. "I tattled like a motherfucker." (Source)
Ayalla says she forgives Sarah for telling Greg her personal information because she knows the manipulative tactics Greg uses to get information about people. Ayalla says Sarah was nice to her while she was at the house and Sarah did not seem like a bad person to her. (Source)
Nanny Rumor
While Sarah lived there, a rumor began spreading that she was living there as Greg and Kai's nanny. This rumor persisted as Sarah would continue to visit throughout the years. Kai and Sarah denied this during a 2017 livestream. Kai says they are not paying Sarah and she does not work for them. (Source)
Both Billie and Ayalla have spoken about how much Sarah would clean the house and take care of Greg and Kai's children. Billie says she felt like Sarah was there to clean up and babysit for Greg and Kai. (Source)
Ayalla says she felt Greg and Kai would use both Billie and Sarah as both nannies and maids. Ayalla claims if Sarah was not taking care of the children up to par, they would punish her or threaten her. She claims they would threaten to send her home or take things away from her.
Billie claims Greg did not do any housework and that Kai felt entitled to herself and Sarah helping around the house. She claims if they didn't, Kai would throw a fit, ignore them, or send bland text messages. Billie says it felt it was more like herself and Sarah were expected to help out around the house rather than it being a nice gesture. (Source)
Greg confirmed in an interview that Sarah helped out a lot with the house, but he claimed it was win favor with himself and Kai because she didn't understand nothing was going to happen relationship wise. (Source)
Inappropriate Behavior Accusations
Greg claimed he and Kai always kept their distance from Sarah. The same day Greg uploaded the video claiming this, Sarah said on a livestream she only ever hugged Greg and Kai. Sarah later claimed Greg would only offer to hug her after Kai left the room. When reacting to this statement, Greg said, "apparently I gave someone a hug. Apparently that was a really bad thing, giving someone a hug." (Source)
Sarah claims she cuddled in bed with Kai. Kai claims no one cuddled in bed. (Source)
Ayalla says whenever Greg would made inappropriate comments to Sarah, Sarah would confide in her about it. (Source) Ayalla claims Greg would say suggestive and provocative things, but when he was called out on it, he would claim it was only a joke. Ayalla claims there was an incident where he made an inappropriate comment about Sarah sitting in a massage chair. Sarah confirms she remembers this incident. (Source)
Ayalla claims one day at the house, she and Sarah had a long conversation about Sarah's relationship with Kai. Ayalla claims Sarah had told her at age 15, she had been flirting back and forth with Kai and that they had discussed potentially being in a relationship in the future when Sarah became older to avoid legal issues. (Source)
Kai claims there was no discussion of a potential relationship with Sarah. (Source)
Sarah claims she would sometimes lay in bed with Greg and Kai. She claims Greg would give her little touches here and there and she felt it was creepy. (Source)
In the lawsuit Sarah filed in 2023 against Greg and Kai, Sarah reported more accusations of inappropriate behavior that happened while she was 16. Sarah claimed Greg would caress her face and hand feed her bites of food. She claims both Greg and Kai would touch her legs and tickle her. She claims one time while Kai was showering, she and Greg were only wearing shirts and underwear. The lawsuit claims, "Onision deliberately pressed his erect penis up against Sarah's buttocks, making her feel uncomfortable." The lawsuit also claims Greg and Kai engage in sexual activity at a manner and volume that was impossible for Sarah to avoid hearing or walking into.
Sarah also claimed Greg would find excuses to brush up against Sarah to touch her breasts, buttocks, or body and his hand would linger until Sarah would step back. Sarah also claims she receives massages from Greg during this time. She claims while massaging her, Greg would rub and caress her buttocks in a sexual manner. She claims he would also reach around the front of her shirt and grope, fondle, and molest her breasts, which made her extremely uncomfortable. (Source)
Bath Accusations
Sarah claims Kai would ask her to be in the bathroom while he bathed because Kai would bathe with his kids. Sarah would sit and talk to Kai while he was in the bath. Then, Sarah would get the kids out of the bath. Sarah says they never did anything sexual and Kai just wanted someone to be with. She claims Kai was naked in front of her all the time. Sarah also claims Kai would talk to her while she was taking a shower. (Source) Sarah says she thought it was normal. (Source)
Billie claims she once walked in on Kai naked in the bathtub while Sarah sat nearby on a chair. She said it didn't sit right with her because Sarah was underage and she was sitting with someone she clearly had a crush on. She says she told Greg about it and he made a big deal about it and said they weren't going to do that anymore. (Source)
Kai claims all the bath stuff didn't happen and says it's a ridiculous accusation. (Source)
"Dat Booty Doe"
Ayalla, Greg, and Sarah all have spoken about an incident where Sarah was alone in a room laying on a bean bag reading her phone. Billie, Ayalla, and Kai were downstairs. Greg came up the stairs with a box and said "dat booty doe." Sarah claims it was, "mmm dat booty doe." Greg claims it was a condescending "dat booty doe" because it was like she was showing off her butt. Sarah claims she looked back and gave him a look. She claims Greg was like, "what? Are you mad?" She says she was confused and answered, "no."
Greg says no one says "dat booty doe" as a real thing unless you're R&B or hip hop. He says he's not R&B or hip hop, he's a comedian. (Source)
Greg Mean To Sarah
Billie claims after the bath incident, Greg started to become mean to Sarah all the time. Billie speculated Greg might have been trying to show her he didn't like Sarah. (Source)
Sarah also claims Greg was nice to her during her first trip and didn't start being mean to her until what happened with Billie and Ayalla. (Source)
Greg has spoken many times about how mean he was to Sarah while Sarah was underage. He says he would roast her in videos, but he was worse to her off camera. He says he would compare her to Drew Carey and Meg Griffin. He once compared the way he treated Sarah to ragging on an adopted brother. (Source)
Sarah claims Greg made her feel bad about her body and looks. She says one time when she was 16, he made her feel so bad about being a virgin she started crying. (Source) Sarah claims Greg would call her stupid, a cunt, and a dyke. She says she really hated being called "dyke" because she would be called that a lot in high school. She says she found it insulting so he took that and ran with it. She says he made her feel really dumb and ugly. (Source)
During a livestream when asked about why he was mean to Sarah when she was underage, Greg says it was because he didn't want her to like him. He says he didn't like being mean to her, but he didn't want her thinking he was remotely interested. When someone suggested Greg could have not been nice to Sarah without abusing her, he says he doesn't think you can. He says she was already a fan and she wasn't going to get the message if he wasn't mean. When asked why he would assume Sarah would want to be in a relationship with him, he compared the situation to when a 15 year old girl tried to kiss him when he was 18. (Source)
Sarah claimed Greg would be nice to her when no one was looking, but then be meaner when people were around. She says when he was nice, he was touchy. (Source) Sarah says she believed Greg was mean to her because he wouldn't be able to control himself if they had a normal relationship. She claims one time at a Christmas party, he put a piece of cheese in her mouth. She claims he seemed to realize what he had done and said, "I don't want to be doing this with you." (Source)
When Sarah was asked if Kai ever defended Sarah from Greg's name calling and berating, she claimed Kai never did. She claimed Kai would sometimes throw her under the bus to Greg. Sarah says no one is above Greg in Kai's mind. Not even his own children. (Source)
Sarah says the only person who ever got Greg to apologize to her was Billie. When the fact that Billie would defend Sarah from Greg was brought up during a livestream, Kai agreed that Greg was not nice to Sarah while she was underage. (Source) Ayalla also spoke about Billie having to defend Sarah from Greg multiple times during her visit. (Source)
When Sarah was asked if Greg was doing this to control her as a cult-like situation, Sarah agreed and said if she didn't want to do something, Greg would accuse her of lying or tell her to be an adult. He would do whatever he could to get what he wanted. (Source)
Luxy Incident
During one of their breakups with Billie, Greg and Kai began speaking romantically with Luxymoo and planned for her to visit. Sarah's friend, Lane, claims since Kai was broken up with Billie, Sarah believed that this might be her chance at a relationship. Lane claims Sarah was sobbing in a bathtub and texting her when she found out about Luxy because she thought she would be next in line for a relationship. (Source)
When Kai was asked about this situation, he said he wasn't aware Sarah cried over Luxy. He maintains he never entertained the idea of a relationship with Sarah while she was underage. (Source)
Kick Out
Lane claims Sarah would slowly tell her about things she and Kai discussed to test the waters. Lane says Sarah made her promise not to tell anyone about the things she spoke to Kai about and Lane agreed. Lane claims at one point Sarah told her she loved "them." Lane says she didn't know if she was using they/them pronouns for Kai (Kai was using those pronouns at the time) or if Sarah meant both Kai and Greg. (Source)
On February 5, 2017, Kai and Sarah went live on Kai's Younow to talk about drama Kai was having. Lane mistakenly thought Sarah and Kai were talking about her. In response, Lane went live on her own Younow and claimed Sarah had told her she and Kai were almost in a relationship and Greg encouraged it. Lane claimed she had screen shots of Sarah talking about this. In a 2019 interview, Sarah claimed what Lane said was true. (Source)
Sarah texted Lane and messaged her on Tumblr, begging her to deleted all of their conversations and any screen shots she had. Lane was not able to recover the screen shots, but she shared Sarah's recent messages to prove what she was saying was true. (Source)
Greg initially attacked Lane on Twitter, but later tweeted saying he didn't have the full story and Sarah admitted she spoke to Lane. He says Sarah also told him she remembered him saying something about her one day being in a relationship with Kai. Greg said this was confusing because he and Kai made it clear she was there to be a friend. (Source)
The next day, Greg announced they were sending Sarah home with the video "Sarah Is Leaving." In the video he explained he doesn't see it as them kicking out Sarah. He sees it just as them sending her home. He says it's no one's fault, unless the internet was a person. He said if the internet wasn't weirdly involved, everything would still be fine. Greg wrote text in the video saying Sarah tried to provide proof that she and Kai were planning a relationship, but was not able to supply the text messages since her phone didn't go back that far. Greg says Sarah is 16 and he is 31, so it's creepy. He says Sarah and her friend aren't bad people. He says this is just an awkward situation. He says he doesn't know how many times he needs to say nothing is going to happen. He says they are on good terms with Sarah and they aren't upset with her. (Source)
Later that day, Sarah went live on Younow. At different parts of the stream, Kai and Greg separately made appearances. This stream was the first time the public found out Kai had guardianship over Sarah. On the stream, Sarah denied being under the impression she was going to be in a relationship with Kai. She said all she wanted to be was a friend. Sarah says Greg was talking about confusion that happened months ago and no one in the household cares about it anymore. Sarah also denied rumors that Kai and Greg were grooming her. Sarah says the reason they are sending her home was because it was not safe for her to stay anymore because people called the police. She says she never should have been in Greg's videos and she never should have told anyone she was there. At several points during the stream, Sarah cried. She says her life was all figured out in Washington. (Source)
Years later, when later asked about how she was feeling at this time, Sarah said she felt like everything was her fault because she had a crush on Kai. She said in hindsight, she was 16 and confused. Kai, Greg, and some people online were shifting the blame on her, but she never initiated or tried to start anything. She said at the time, people online were telling her she was endangering herself in this situation with Greg and Kai, but she thought she was smart and could handle it. As she grew up, she realized why people were trying to warn her. (Source)
Sarah says while they were going to the airport to send her home, Kai asked if they actually had to let her go. Greg said yes, they can't say she'd going to leave and not actually have her leave. (Source)
Kai said the reason they sent Sarah home was because people were threatening Sarah and threatening his children. People were calling the police and Child Protective Services. (Source)
Sarah later claimed Greg and Kai told her she had to leave their home because it was getting too much for them to handle publicly. (Source)
Ayalla says she was concerned for Sarah after she left, so she contacted Sarah and offered her home to her. Ayalla says her mother is registered to be a foster parent, so if Sarah needed a safe place to stay and couldn't go home she has an option. Ayalla says she believed something was wrong because if Kai and Greg's true intention was to protect Sarah from her home life, why would they send her home immediately after they were accused of having poor intentions. (Source)
Sarah says after she got home, she continued to stay friends with Kai and Greg was not mad at her. Sarah says she would FaceTime Kai every day for hours.
Second Time Living With Kai & Greg
Sarah says a few months later, Kai told Sarah Greg said "why don't we take Sarah back?" This time, they decided to hide her visits from the internet. (Source)
Sarah says she came back for a week long trip in April 2017 and returned to live with them in August 2017 around her 17th birthday. She says she was there to be their nanny, cleaner, and to be Kai's friend. (Source)
While Sarah was living with them, she lived in their guest house that was dethatched from their main house. (At this point, Greg and Kai owned three houses due to their recent success on YouTube. This does not include their guest house on their main property.) Greg says he wanted Sarah to be independent and have her own place. Sarah was going to school and had her own job as well. (Source)
Sarah says during this trip she continued to be Greg's emotional punching bag. Sarah says she felt like she had to take it and let Greg say whatever he wanted because he was letting her live in his house. She also says she put up with it because she wanted to continue to be around Kai. She says she didn't understand why he was so mean to her. She says she still regarded him as an idol to her and she just wanted him to be nice to her. (Source 1, Source 2)
When asked if she ever dated while living with Greg and Kai, Sarah said there was once a boy who liked her. He wanted to be friends with Greg, but when Greg found out the boy liked Sarah, Greg said, "I can't be friends with someone who likes Sarah." Sarah claims when she was getting ready to leave for a walk, Greg told her, "tell your boyfriend to stay away from you." (Source)
While Sarah living with Greg and Kai, she dyed her hair blue. This seemed significant because the year before, Kai had revealed he has a thing for women with blue hair. Multiple women who Greg and Kai perused for their poly relationship had blue hair. Also, Greg and Kai's on and off girlfriend Billie sported different shades of blue hair while they dated. Greg later commented on this saying Sarah was trying to look cutesy and was trying to be like Billie. He said he and Kai weren't biting and it wasn't attractive. (Source)
Kick Out (Dat Booty Doe)
Sarah says one day while she and Greg were shopping at Walmart, she was joking around about the shitty things Greg had done to her and she hinted at the "dat booty doe" incident. She claims Greg started freaking out and asking about what he did and if it was sexual. She says he was yelling at her so she started crying. She claims he said, "you're going to ruin my career. This is exactly what Kevin Spacey went through." (Source) She says when they got home, Greg ran in to tell Kai and said Sarah needed to leave. Sarah says Kai stuck up for her and said Sarah has a job here, but Greg said he didn't care. (Source)
Greg says Sarah was harboring "dat booty doe" incident. He says one day they were in Walmart buying a 27 year old alcohol and Sarah revealed to him that there was something that was bothering her and it made her uncomfortable. He said he didn't want her to be bothered in a certain sense. He said he would call her a "dumbass" and a "cunt" all the time, but he didn't want her to be uncomfortable physically around him. He says she wouldn't tell him, so he told her he needed to know because #MeToo was going on and he didn't want to make a woman feel uncomfortable. He says she finally confessed it was the "dat booty doe" comment and he freaked out because she misconstrued what he meant and he didn't want to be #MeToo'd over an innocent comment. (Source)
Sarah claims back at the house, the woman that was there took her upstairs and was crying. Sarah claims the woman told her she hopes Sarah gets out and Greg and Kai don't treat her right. Sarah says she was confused and didn't understand why the woman was freaking out. (Source)
Greg claims the woman told himself and Kai that Sarah told her she was going to kill herself because she didn't want to be hated by Greg because she was in love with him and was such a huge fan of his. Greg says he didn't see it because he and Sarah were so rude to each other. He claims the woman told him she had to keep Sarah from swallowing pills in their guest house. Greg claims the woman told himself and Kai they shouldn't let Sarah into their life because Sarah was unstable and a danger to them. He says he was told the woman also told Sarah she was better off not being in their life. Greg says Sarah denied the suicide attempt. Greg says he doesn't know who to trust and he doesn't know who was telling the truth. Greg says he was so mad at Sarah at that time because she was going to ruin his life over a joke. (Source)
More Age 17 Incidents
After Sarah flew back home, she says Kai told her Greg didn't want anything to do with her and Kai didn't know if they would still be friends. Sarah says they remained friends, but she wasn't allowed to go over their house anymore or spend the night. Sarah says eventually Kai said she was allowed to visit for a trip.
Sarah claims one day out of the blue, Kai told her Greg said the plan is for Sarah to move back in when she turns 18. Sarah says Greg invented this plan on his own and she did not know about this. She says she had no plan to move back. She says when Kai texted her about it, she said she wasn't sure about it. Kai texted Sarah back saying Greg is willing to talk to her about her concerns. Sarah claims the phone call with Greg went poorly and he was very mean to her. She says she called Kai after and planned to tell him she was not going to go, but while on the phone, she could sense Kai getting upset and decided to agree to it. (Source)
Sarah says she had just gotten her driver's license, a new job, and a new car. One day, Greg sent her a long text saying Sarah hadn't been talking to Kai enough and they talked and decided they didn't want Sarah to move back in. She claims he wrote about how they were going to build all this stuff for her and start a business with her, but now that's not possible because she's not the friend Kai thought she was. (Source)
Laptop
While Sarah and Kai remained friends, Kai sold his old laptop to Sarah. Kai attempted to wipe the laptop and shipped it to Sarah. On February 8, 2018, Kai guested Sarah on his YouNow stream. Sarah announced on the stream she received the laptop in the mail, but it wasn't wiped. She said she opened it up and it said "hello Gregory". Kai says he tried to follow the directions to wipe it. Sarah announced she was currently on Kai's account and there were pictures on the account. Kai says it's not a big deal and Sarah reacts with a confused expression. (Source)
While talking about this clip in an interview, Greg gave an alternate version of events. He claimed in the clip, Sarah announced she was looking at Kai's photos without Kai's permission. He claims Sarah laughed when Kai told her to delete the photos. (Source)
(There will be more information about the laptop allegations in a future update.)
Kai Photos
Sarah claims that while she was 17, Kai sent her nude photos. Sarah backed up this claim with censored screen shots of Kai sending her the alleged nudes through text messages. The outfit, makeup, and hair Kai wore in these photos is the same he wore on an April 29, 2018 YouNow stream. Kai had also uploaded a cropped version of one of the photos to his Instagram on May 8, 2018. (Source)
Kai has not publicly reacted to this claim, but Greg has. Greg claims the pictures Sarah leaked were obviously selfies meant for Instagram. He says the photos that included Kai's lower region were just a silhouette and not meant to be sexual. Greg claims the other photo has an accidental nip slip and compares it to when Kai accidentally uploaded a video with a nip slip to YouTube. He says this photo was also not meant to be sexual and people who have nipples have accidental nip slips. Greg claims Sarah was never supposed to have those photos and has not been honest about the context of the photos. Greg alleges Sarah obtained the photos through Kai's laptop and Kai would never want to send photos of that nature to anyone underage. (Source)
It has been argued that Sarah could not have gotten the photos from Kai's laptop because the photos were taken after the laptop was already in Sarah's possession. This argument is backed up by Kai's outfits, makeup, and hair in the laptop clip and in the photos compared to Kai's livestreams and videos. (Source)
July Trip
Sarah claims Greg and Kai planned for her to visit on August 4th, 2018, the day before her 18th birthday, but Greg bumped up the trip to July 4th. (Source)
On May 21, 2018, Greg sent Sarah a long text after hearing from Kai that Sarah was having a hard time. He said despite how rude he is to her, he really likes hanging out and playing video games with her. He says he doesn't have a lot of people who are close to him and he wants her to know she is someone he appreciates and is glad to have known. He invites her to visit as soon as July and suggests she spend the 4th of July with them. He says he and Kai are here for her and he looks forward to making videos with her.
Sarah responds by thanking Greg and says it would be nice to spend the 4th of July with them. (Source)
Sarah says when she arrived at the airport, Greg came to pick her up. She claims as soon as she got off the plane, Greg bear hugged her. She says the last time she saw him he was yelling at her, so she was wondering what was going on. She claims he wasn't being cold or distant toward her anymore and they talked the whole ride back. She says she believes he was being nice to her because she lost weight, grew her hair out, and matured physically. She claims he made a comment about it and said, "girl next door moves back and she's super hot now." (Source)
She claims for the first week or two it was normal, but then Greg started to make little comments like "[Kai] and Sarah would make a good couple" or "do that, that would be hot." Sarah claims one night Kai was in the shower and she was sitting in the bathroom talking to him. Kai told her Greg made a joke that she and Kai would make a cute couple and Sarah started crying. She told Kai she needs Greg to stop making jokes like that because it hurts her because she still has feeling for Kai sometimes. She said she doesn't want it to give her any kind of hope because she's trying to move past it. (Source)
On July 15, 2018, Greg uploaded the video "I Want Teenagers To Hate Me." Sarah claims this video was about her. In the video, Greg says since he legally dated 17-year-olds, people would equate him to people who are attracted to 8-year-olds. He says people can't tell the difference between a 17-year-old and an 18-year-old because they are almost the exact same. He says since then, he's treated almost everyone under 18 like crap. He says today he realized he does this because he doesn't want them to like him or enjoy his personality. Once he realized there's a huge repulsion toward dating 17-year-olds, he started feeling it as well. He says he wanted to share this epiphany he had today because he appreciates himself more because of it. He says it shows how much power that not only society has over him, but how much power he has over himself. He has the ability to adapt and as a result, be more successful in life. He says he won't be upset if you are mad at him for dating other age gaps. He says 18-35 is the primary age for reproduction, so it's absurd to be upset with a hetero man for targeting that age group. He says people who judge don't have a lot of experience with love and don't realize love is often blind to age. (Source)
Greg claims he apologized to Sarah for being mean to her all these years late in her 17's. Greg later claimed he apologized to her when she was 18½. He says he told her he was shitty to her this whole time because he wanted her to stay away from him. He claims once she turned 18, he decided he could be nice to her now. Greg claims it took a while for Sarah to understand why he had to be mean to her. (Source)
Sarah says she believes Greg strategically was mean to her and battered down her self esteem so that when he did finally start being nice to her and suggest a relationship between them, her guard would be down. She believes Greg knew the relationship was going to happen the whole time and he took advantage of the fact that he was finally being nice to her. (Source) Sarah has also said she believes Greg broke her down so he could build her back up to be whatever he wanted.
Sarah says she felt so happy at this time because she and Kai were closer than ever and Greg was finally nice to her. (Source)
Sarah claims a month before she turned 18, Kai revealed he and Greg were open to being romantic or sexual with her. She claims Greg became a puppet master and would tell her and Kai what to do, like they should kiss. She says she believes Greg was testing the waters and seeing how far he could go. (Source) Sarah said she knew that Greg could never be in a three way relationship where he didn't also get to be with the girlfriend. So, in order to be in a relationship with Kai, she knew she would have to be with Greg as well. (Source)
"Dat Booty Doe" Goes Public
On July 27, 2018, a censored discord conversation was leaked revealing the "dat booty doe" incident. It seems the person revealing the information was close to Greg and Kai at some point. (Source)
The first person to react to the leak was Kai. Kai was sent the screenshot in Twitter DMs and Kai denied it happened. (Source) Soon after, Greg replied to the controversy on Twitter announcing he is going to make a sketch about the incident to show how stupid everyone is being. (Source)
On July 26, 2016, Greg uploaded the video "What Really Happened 2 Years Ago" to his Patreon. In the video, he explains he is a comedian and someone misrepresented what happened between himself and Sarah. He reenacts the incident in a comedic sketch. He explains Sarah was 16 at the time, but she is still in his life and he saw her 30 minutes ago. He says he spoke to Sarah about Kai about making this video and they both told him not to make the video, but it was more important for him to tell the truth. (Source)
Later on, while discussing future merch ideas in a Patreon Discord call, Greg announced he was going to make a "Dat Booty Doe" t-shirt. On the call, he also complained people were getting the quote wrong. It's not "That" it's "dat". (Source)
Age 17 Accusations
Cuddling
On August 1, 2018, Kai and Sarah took selfies while cuddling. Sarah later uploaded these photos to Twitter to prove how intimate they were at this point and that they cuddled before she turned 18. (Source)
Sarah claims Greg would have Youtubers come over during this time. She claimed one YouTuber witnessed them all cuddling in bed together while she was 17 and didn't say anything about it. (Source)
Gremlin Face
Greg claims Sarah made a "gremlin face" many times. He claims one incident of this was when Sarah was holding a baby while they were having a fight about something trivial. He told Sarah to give him the baby and she snarled "no" and made the gremlin face. He demonstrates that she turned the baby away from him when she said this. He says it was like a snap right in front of his eye and it was horrifying. He says she was like a venomous beast. He says she apologized for it.
Greg also claims Sarah's eyes are normally brown, but when she is mad at you, they turn black. He has stated her eyes turned black when talking about the gremlin face incident. (Source)
Falling Out
Around this time Sarah appeared in many of Kai's YouTube videos and on Kai's social media. Many viewers believed Kai and Sarah were more intimate in these videos compared to Sarah's previous appearances. For example, in the video "My Secret Life" Sarah rubbed lotion on Kai's legs and feet. (Source)
Greg claims when Sarah turned 18, nothing happened. He says himself and Kai weren't feeling any tension and things were chill. (Source) Although, the texts Greg released from this time period say otherwise.
In September 2018, Sarah had a falling out with Greg and Kai. She claims this was the first time she cut them off.
Greg released texts of an argument between Kai and Sarah that took place after the falling out. Greg shared the conversation to point out all the times Sarah and Kai mentioned Kai did not reciprocate Sarah's feelings for him. The argument took place from September 30th to October 1st.
According to the conversation, Greg initiated the relationship talk when he told Kai he wants himself and Kai to date Sarah. Kai told Sarah about this and Sarah cried and told Kai not to give her hope unless it was real. At some point, Greg had taken Sarah downstairs and told her there was a chance with Kai. Kai was not clear with his feelings for Sarah, so Sarah told Kai multiple times to just tell her if it was a "no" because it would hurt less. Greg would fill in Sarah on Kai's feelings behind closed doors and told her things like "I'd bet on it happening" and "there's a 78% chance of you two being together." Kai claims he was always honest about his feelings to Greg and the reason Greg was telling Sarah differently was because Greg might have misinterpreted. After Sarah went home, she received a text from Greg stating Kai did not have feelings for her. She cut off Kai after that.
The argument revolved around why Sarah cut off Kai. Kai accused Sarah of cutting him off because he did not feel the same toward Sarah, which is something he can't control. He accuses Sarah of only being friends with him for the last 4 years in the hopes that they would get together when Sarah turned 18. Sarah says she told Kai that if he didn't feel the same way it wouldn't ruin their friendship, but if he wasn't upfront about it it would. Instead, she found out through a text from Greg less than 48 hours before she was supposed to fly back to visit. She says she feels like Kai let her humiliate herself for the last 2 months and it hurt her that she didn't hear it from Kai. Sarah claims she only started having feelings for Kai for the last 2 years of their friendship and claims she was planning on never revealing her feelings for Kai again to protect their friendship, but she broke down when Greg revealed to her there was a chance. Sarah accuses Kai of not being upfront about his feelings because he was too afraid of Greg being mad at him for not wanting to date Sarah.
There are two parts of the conversation that were not shared. It seems in both of these excluded texts, Sarah accused Greg of something. Kai says this was not because Greg wanted Sarah, it was because Greg thought Kai and Sarah would be good together because she makes Kai happy. Kai says it's a fucked up thing for Sarah to say and if that's what she thinks of the kind of relationship he has with Greg, then they should have terminated their friendship years ago. Kai claims he thinks Greg seems "relatively uninvested in the situation."
Greg also shared texts from that day between himself and Sarah. Sarah says she told Kai in the car on the way back from dinner that if he didn't feel the same way it wouldn't ruin their friendship, but if he wasn't upfront about it, it would. She says Greg texted her saying Kai had feelings the entire time and that's why things went the way they did. She says she knew Kai didn't have feelings for her for years and she was always still around, even after November because she still loves Kai as a friend and didn't care he didn't want her in that way. She knew there was no potential of it happening, she just wanted to have her best friend. She tells Greg to stop trying to flip it around on her, this is not her fault.
Greg says he's not trying to flip anything. He wrote to her exactly as it is. He says he texted that to her because it was the moment he asked Kai what the conclusion was and he didn't want to keep Sarah in suspense. As a result, Sarah went silent as Kai talked for weeks about how she abandoned him and clearly never cared. Greg says everyone was honest with her and every time he learned something she needed to know, he told her. He says Kai lost faith in having close friends. (Source)
When talking about this time period, Greg says when Sarah turned 18, he was not willing to explore the idea of a relationship unless Sarah had gotten approval through Kai. He says it was a total mess because Kai was not there emotionally and felt it was inappropriate. (Source)
November/December
Around November or December, Sarah begins communicating with Greg and Kai again. Greg states this was when Sarah began showing interest in Kai. (Source) (Again, the texts he shared above say otherwise.) Greg also stated many times that this time period (November/December) was when Sarah was 18½. This is not the case as Sarah's birthday is in August. (Source)
Greg claims Sarah was pushing to be with Kai and to kiss Kai. Greg claims Kai was grossed out by the idea. Greg guesses part of the problem may have been that Kai was still in love with his ex, Billie. (Source)
Greg says when Kai and Sarah would hang out, they would listen to jams and laughing all the time together. He says he would have group wrestling matches with them. It would be Sarah and Kai trying to take him down and he would win every time. He says Sarah was really good at wrestling, but he was better because he was bigger. He says he thought what's wrong with this if they're all adults? He claims this isn't something he thought about when Sarah was underage because it's impossible because of age gap laws. (Source)
Sarah also references the group wrestling matches in a tweet: "huh maybe those three-way wrestling matches weren't as innocent as I thought". In the lawsuit Sarah filed in 2023 against Greg and Kai, Sarah claimed Greg and Kai would use the wrestling matches as a guise to touch her inappropriately, deliberately touching her breasts and buttocks. The lawsuit claims this behavior started during her first visit, when she was 16. ([(Source) Source])
Christmas Visit
Sarah claims in early December, Kai FaceTimed her. She says Greg took the phone from Kai and said, "I miss you." They told her they wanted her to fly out for Christmas. Sarah says they planned for the trip to be platonic. She claims when she got there, Kai wanted her to sleep in their bed. She claims Greg told her Kai wanted to give it another try. Sarah says she was afraid things would go bad again, but when she expressed this concern, Greg didn't care. (Source)
Greg claims at Christmas, he made a joke to Sarah about her dating someone her own age and she got mad at him. He claims he made this joke because he and Kai were not into her. (Source)
Sarah claims Greg and Kai provided her alcohol. In response to this claim, Greg said at Christmas they had tiny bottles of Fireball. He says she asked him if she could have one. He claims he didn't give he consent and told her she was an adult, so he couldn't stop her. He says he believes she took one of the Fireballs. (Source) [The legal drinking age in the US is 21.]
During this visit, Sarah appeared in a few of Kai's video. In the video "TRYING ASMR FOR THE FIRST TIME", Kai and Sarah make many sexually suggestive gestures and sounds. In the video "WE PLAYED GIANT CONNECT 4", Kai asks what does he get since he won. Sarah responds, "my undying love." Kai says, "I already got that. I'd like another prize." Greg can be heard laughing in the background. (Source)
Kiss Kai
Greg claims one day Sarah mustered up the strength to kiss Kai. He says he wasn't there, but it was described to him as Sarah walked up to Kai, grabbed his face, kissed him, stepped back, and yelled "fuck!" Greg has told this story and reenacted the kiss many times in videos and interviews. Greg says he thought it was creepy and Kai was freaked out by it. (Source)
In the 2020 video "the known" Greg discloses he was the one that told Sarah to kiss Kai. He claims he told Sarah if she was really interested in Kai, to just go kiss him and be with him. Greg claims after Sarah kissed Kai, she immediately went downstairs and hugged Greg while they laid in a circular chair. He says he was like, "what? I guess good job then." Greg claims he was indifferent to the whole thing as far as his emotions. He claims he didn't feel attraction to Sarah and was more interested in the idea of Sarah filling in the giant hole in Kai's life. He says he felt like the whole Sarah trying to kiss Kai drama was beneath him because for him, if you want to kiss someone, you just kiss them. You don't make a big deal out of it. Greg says he felt it was very mean and insensitive how Kai repeatedly rejected Sarah. (Source)
Greg claims because of the kiss, Kai began to get panicky about the whole thing and didn't want to be with Sarah anymore. He claims Sarah went into a rage because Kai didn't want to be with her. He claims Sarah also freaked out at Kai because Kai tweeted about loving the woman from the show Grey's Anatomy. He says she had a borderline mental breakdown. He claims this is what initially lead himself and Kai into saying Sarah needed to leave because she was unstable.
Greg claims after the December visit, Sarah texted him saying she knew Kai was never into her and it was hopeless attempt. (Source)
Greg says by January, he was still willing to give Sarah a chance, but since the kiss Kai was still not on board. (Source)
January Grooming Accusations
On January 5, 2019, Ayalla and Lane came out on Twitter to accuse Greg and Kai of grooming Sarah. They spoke about all of the things Sarah allegedly confessed to them about her relationship with Greg and Kai. [All of the allegations from Ayalla and Lane were previously mentioned in this article.] Luxy also came out to support them and told her side of her brief relationship with Greg and Kai. All three also individually streamed from YouNow to tell their stories and to answer questions.
Kai responded later that day with his own YouNow livestream to defend himself and to answer questions. In the stream, Kai states that Sarah was only ever nothing more than his friend. He claims even though Sarah is 18, there is still nothing going on between them and their friendship is just platonic and that Sarah will only ever be his friend. Kai says Sarah is currently home and she was only visiting recently for Christmas. During the stream, Kai also denied ever cuddling with Sarah, bathing with Sarah, and ever talking about a potential romantic relationship with Sarah. Kai points out Ayalla doesn't have any evidence that he was romantic with Sarah or that he cuddled in bed with Sarah. He claims this is because it never happened.
Kai claims on his stream that he is currently not looking for a poly relationship. He claims he is not looking for a third because he does not want to date anyone right now and has not wanted that for a long time. When asked if Greg asks Kai to get a third, Kai responds that Greg does, but Kai does not want one. Kai also says he would not want to be in a "V" relationship, a relationship where only one of them is dating another person. Someone points out Greg has states a third is part of his perfect future. Kai responds that's fine, but that doesn't mean he has to have a third. Kai denies Greg pushing him, but he says he knows Greg's feelings on the matter. When someone suggests Greg will be resentful of Kai for not wanting a third, Kai responds he is not going to force himself to be in a relationship he does not want to be in.
After Kai's stream, Greg streamed from YouTube. Greg states he believes Ayalla and Billie believed he and Kai were dating Sarah and lashed out because they were jealous. While Kai outright denied the potential or existence of a romantic relationship with Sarah, Greg on the other hand hinted many times at a potential relationship. He stated he doesn't know what the future holds, but states they are not currently dating Sarah. Greg says he thinks it's weird people accuse them of doing anything with Sarah before she turned 18. He claims even after 18, they never did anything with her. He claims that to this day they haven't kissed or done anything sexual Sarah. Greg states that he tells people he cares about that he loves them, but they didn't say they were boyfriend/girlfriend.
Also contradictory to Kai's stream, Greg outright states that Sarah has expressed heavy interest in dating Kai. He claims Kai is hesitant due to numerous factors.
In Kai's stream, he denied ever walking around naked and says he has dysphoria and it is too cold to walk around naked. When Greg was asked about this in his stream, he said Sarah has definitely seen Kai without a top as an adult. Greg states that he doesn't know more because he doesn't follow people around their entire life. In a later January stream, Greg elaborates on this and says people who are assigned female at birth are comfortable without a top around other people who are assigned female at birth. He says in this country, we have oversexualized women to the point where it's "shameful" (finger quotes) for a women to take off her top. He says he doesn't think someone who just got out of the shower and is brushing their teeth with a towel around their waist is a sexual thing. (Source)
Sarah shared screen shots of a conversation she and Kai had the same day Ayalla and Lane came out with their accusations. The conversation shows them sharing romantic and sexual memes and comparing it to their relationship. (Source)
Sarah's Statement Video
In Kai's stream, he states what Sarah is going to do is up to her (in regards to a statement). He is not going to make her do anything. (Source)
Greg later spoke about how he told Sarah to made a video about what is going on between herself and Kai. He says she asked what she should say and he told her to be honest. He says when she made the video, he realized how much Sarah cares about Kai. (Source)
Sarah states she felt really pressed by Greg to make the video even though she didn't want to. She says she was at her house when this happened. She claims he called her and told her he needs a statement from her because it would help out Kai. She asked if that was what Kai wanted and she wasn't sure about it. She claims he called and said she was misunderstanding. He doesn't want a statement, he wants a video and he listed things he wanted her to say. She says she was hesitant and said she doesn't know if this is what Kai wanted. She claims Greg raised his voice and said, "can you just talk to me like an adult?" She claims he said Kai has anxiety and essentially said Kai doesn't know what's best and the adult thing to do is to make the video. (Source)
Sarah also released texts between herself and Greg where he instructs her on what to say in the video and that he wanted her to go on a livestream after Kai's stream. (Source)
On January 9th, Greg uploaded the video "Sarah Reveals The Truth About Laineybot (aka Kai)" to his speaks channel. This video was Sarah's short video statement about the situation. Sarah states she is making her statement because people are talking for her and making allegations against Kai. Sarah denies sexual conversations happening with Kai while she was underage. She says Kai doesn't deserve this and she wishes it would all stop. (Source)
Shortly after this statement, the controversy surrounding the grooming allegations died down.
Blooper
Later that year, Sarah released a previous version of the video / blooper she tried to record where she broke down crying saying she didn't want to do this. (Source) She uploaded the video to prove she was pressured into making the video by Greg.
In response, Greg argued that the blooper video was faked because Sarah changed positions and filming locations compared to the statement video. He made videos pointing out details that were different about the blooper video such as the length of her bangs and her beanie being in a different position. Greg also accuses Sarah of fake crying with no tears. (Source)
These accusations were quickly squashed on Twitter after people pointed out the statement video was flipped, so that is why her beanie and hair appeared to be different. Sarah also stated she tried filming in her living room at first, but later went up into her room and used snapchat filters to hide her red face so she wouldn't look like she was crying. (Source)
Texts
Greg has released a few text conversations between Kai and Sarah from this time period. In one of the conversations, they talk about how Greg's friend Billy stood up for them. Kai points out that Billy questioned the problem with cuddling. Sarah states they didn't cuddle until she was 18 and she says she cuddles with her mom. Kai responds, "exactly."
In one of the text conversations (date unknown), Sarah denies Kai grooming her. Kai states he knows that he didn't do anything wrong when Sarah was underage, but questions if he is doing something wrong now. Sarah says Kai didn't wait for Sarah to turn 18 and none of them knew this was going to happen. Kai says he doesn't want to be that person. He says he doesn't want Sarah to look back in a few years be like, "holy shit I got groomed." Sarah states she would know by now if she was being groomed. Kai asks Sarah to promise him she would tell him if he was being shitty. Sarah replies if she ever feels like something is shady, she'd tell him. Sarah states she, Kai, and Greg all were convinced this wouldn't happen in a million years. This is how things played out and it isn't creepy. She says it's kind of sweet the way she looks at it. Kai says he feels better, but needs reassurance. Sarah says she knows Kai and he doesn't have a malicious bone in his body. She says things are happening naturally and she's done feeling bad about it. Sarah states multiple times in the conversation that Ayalla and Lane know nothing about what is going on and they are just going off of old innocent conversations. Sarah references someone who is talking to Kai, but trying to make him feel bad about the situation. She reassures Kai again that Kai was not plotting and if she wanted to get her shit rocked by another consenting adult, there's nothing wrong about that.
Sarah states the police would laugh at Ayalla and Lane's "evidence" because nothing illegal happened. Kai states he is going to ask his mod to heavily moderate his new video. Sarah says Kai doesn't deserve this and that they are gaslighting Kai. They are making him think he did something he didn't do. She says groomers know what they're doing and don't feel bad about it. Kai says he's worried he groomed someone and didn't mean to. Sarah states she swears on her grandmother Kai didn't groom her. (Source)
Greg's Campaign
Greg says Sarah described herself as a second mom to his and Kai's young children and they believed she was kind and compassionate.
In Greg's early recollection of events, he would describe himself and Sarah during this time period as pushing hard for a relationship with Kai. He said he would try to get Kai down with the relationship and would propose ideas and suggestions and Kai would shut them down. He claims he and Sarah would have conversations and strategize about how to get Sarah on Kai's good side and would figure out how to word things. (Source)
Sarah claims Kai told her Greg told him he would be more comfortable with Kai getting top surgery if he had a pair of boobs in the picture, suggesting Sarah. She claims Kai told her he didn't want her to feel bad or like they were just using Sarah for that. (Source)
NDA
According to the documentary Onision: In Real Life, the day Sarah's statement about the grooming accusations went public, she received an invitation back to Greg and Kai's home. The documentary says this is when the Non-Disclosure Agreement was proposed to Sarah. (Source)
Sarah claims around this time, she started having phone sex with Kai. She says Greg and Kai would do sexual things while talking about Sarah and they would tell her about it afterward. (Source)
Sarah claims the NDA was first brought up to her over the phone by Kai. She claims she and Kai were having a sexual, flirty conversation and Kai told Sarah he and Greg were having everyone sign NDAs and they wanted her to sign one too. Sarah says she was hurt by this because she felt she was loyal to them for so long. During an interview between Greg's friend Billy and Sarah, it was revealed that Greg did not have his friends sign NDAs until August 2019. When she found this out, she claimed Greg and Kai lied to her in January and told her they were having everyone in their lives sign NDAs. (Source)
During this time, Kai told Sarah over text that the NDA will be mutual and he and Greg will also be signing one. Sarah seemed hesitant in her reply and Kai said he thought it would make Sarah feel better because then they couldn't say anything about her publicly.
Sarah claims the NDA became kind of a joke between herself and Kai while they had late night phone conversations. Sarah claims she once joked to Kai over the phone that she wouldn't sign the NDA unless she got what she wanted, implying them being together. She claims Greg was not involved in this conversation. Sarah also shared a text conversation with Kai where they joked about adding a clause in the NDA about it.
Sarah claims she was only joking and Greg and Kai knew they could get her to sign it if Greg told her to "act like an adult" like he normally did to get her to do what he wanted. (Source)
Greg also references a story where he claims a few months prior to this, Sarah had joked that she could destroy his and Kai's life if she wanted to. In his early statements, he would say he perceived it as a joke when she said this. He also mentioned this joke "got the gears spinning in his head" and inspired him to have Sarah sign an NDA. (Source)
Greg claims that when Sarah said she would only sign the NDA if she got what she wanted, he perceived it as a kinky statement. He compares it to 50 Shades of Grey. He claims the three of them were all in bed when Sarah said this. He claims the vibe that day was good and they all warmed up to each other. He says they were all clothed and just got done with one of their 2v1 wrestling matches. He says it was obvious Sarah was referencing sex when she said only if she got what she wanted. Greg says he believes she and Kai kissed again at that point, but he's not sure. (Source)Before Visit
The day after Greg uploaded Sarah's statement video, on January 10th, Greg sent Sarah a text saying it feels like this is the last big challenge before all their lives become what they wanted it to be. He apologizes for being rude all those years and hopes she understands why he distances himself from her all these years. He says he's so glad he finally feels comfortable with being real with Sarah and ending the rudeness. He says he'll send her an NDA early so he can't talk about her publicly because her privacy is important. (Source)
That same day, Greg liked a tweet that said, "Sarah is beautiful!! 😮😍". (Source)
Greg claims before Sarah's visit, she confided in Kai that someone had committed a crime against her. In early recollections, Greg said he felt really bad for Sarah when he found out about this. In his January 2020 video "a lot", Greg went as far as to blame Kai's rejection of Sarah as the reason Sarah was put in the situation for her to have the crime committed against her.
Greg uploaded the video "SAYING GOODBYE" on January 15th where he defends himself and Kai once again. Greg also streamed again on January 15th to talk about the allegations. Greg also spoke very complimentary of Sarah on YouTube during this time. (Source)
January 2019 Visit
Sarah visited Greg and Kai in January 2019 for 5 days. She says it was a short trip because she had to fly back for her job. The trip lasted from January 16th to the 20th. (Source)
Sarah claims the first time she, Greg, and Kai slept together was January 17th. To back this up, Sarah provided an image of a hickey on her neck she claims Greg gave her that day. Sarah's friend backed Sarah up on Twitter and claimed to have seen the hickey at that time.
Greg has also stated the first time they all had sex was in January 2019.
Sarah claims one day while watching a movie in bed, Greg and Kai began making out next to her. She said this was something they had done before, so she continued watching the movie. She claims she looked over again and Greg and Kai were having sex next to her, which surprised her. She says she tried keep her eyes on the movie and mind her own business. She claims Greg reached out to her and pulled her in. She says he instructed her on what to do.
Greg tells almost the exact same story about the lead up to the first time they slept together as Sarah. One aspect that's different is he claims he and Kai were not having sex next to Sarah, they were just kissing. He also has not commented on if he instructed Sarah on what to do or not.
In the lawsuit Sarah filed in 2023, she claimed Greg had raped her. The lawsuit goes into vivid detail about the accusation. The lawsuit states Sarah had cried and Kai did nothing to help Sarah. (Source)
Greg claims the reason he and Kai had sex with Sarah was because they felt pressured due to Sarah saying she would only sign the NDA if they would sleep with her. He says this is blackmail and they were sexually extorted by Sarah. He claims he had sex with Sarah and Sarah was intimate with Kai while Kai did nothing except for reciprocate kisses. Greg claimed that Kai was not on board and he was more on board. (Source)
The next day, August 18th, Sarah claims she did not know what to do, so she attempted to hide downstairs. She claims Greg had found her, picked her up, hugged her, and lavished her with kindness. She claims immediately after, Greg demanded she sign the NDA. She claims this all happened before they even ate breakfast. Greg printed the NDA out on his home printer and he, Kai, and Sarah all signed.
Sarah claims she still did no want to sign, but she felt she had no choice. Greg claims Sarah was proud of herself the next day and happily signed the NDA. Sarah claims Greg told her the NDA was legal. She claims because of the NDA, she had to lie to her family, friends, and bosses. (Source)
NDA Page 1
NDA Page 2
Sarah claims that day, they had a birthday party for one of Greg and Kai's children. The three of them were speaking in a room about what had occurred the day before, but when Greg's family arrived, there was an unspoken rule not to speak about it. Sarah says Greg's family all knew her. Greg's mother called Sarah her "foster granddaughter" and bought her Christmas gifts every year. Sarah says she didn't know how she was supposed to deal with the situation, acting like everything was still normal after what had occurred. (Source)
Greg claims they had sex again the day after they had sex for the first time. This time, Kai told him he tried not to vomit while he was intimate with Sarah and Greg claims he witnessed Kai crying in the bathroom after. Greg claims after this, Kai was not sure if he wanted to continue the relationship with Sarah. (Source)
Sarah claims at the end of the trip, they stopped at a mall. She claims Kai and Greg tried to get her to stay before her flight back home. She claims they told her she doesn't have to get on the plane, they could just go home and have fun. (Source)
Pressured
Sarah says she feels that both herself and Kai were pressured by Greg the first time they had sex. She claims she had mixed emotions after and didn't sleep after. Sarah claims she is not someone who has trouble sleep, but that night she just laid in bed and stared at the ceiling.
Greg also said that Sarah had told him multiple times she believed Kai was not into the three way relationship and that it wasn't going to work out. He says despite this, she would still try to make the relationship work with him.
Greg described his role in initiating sex between himself, Kai and Sarah "trickery" because he would kiss Kai and pull Sarah in to swap with him. He says he didn't read the room and that Kai was crying. He says what he did was messed up and calls himself and Sarah borderline evil. He says Kai is the real victim.
He says what happened to Kai was a crime and he would back up Kai if he wanted to press charges. He says you can't call him a rapist because Kai wanted to be with him. He says if Kai wanted to press charges against him for aiding Sarah, he would probably be compliant. (Source)
On & Off
Greg claims he and Sarah would try to find ways to be intimate while respecting Kai's boundaries because he no longer wanted to be with Sarah. Greg claims Sarah would lay down next to him and ask him to choke her. Sarah also mentioned Greg choked her while Kai was sleeping in the other room. Greg also claims one time when they were in a car because they were moving furniture, Sarah laid her head on his crotch. He says his pants were on and nothing happened. He claims he just sat there and says it was really weird. (Source)
Sarah visited two times while the three of them seemed to be on and off with the idea of being in a relationship. Her second 2019 visit was from February 16th through the 20th. She claims she cut them off for the second time after this February visit. (Source) She claims Greg kept talking to her and in April, Greg convinced her to visit again just as his friend. Sarah's third visit was from June 30th through July 8th.
During one of these visits, Greg, Kai, and Sarah have sex a third time together. Greg claims the third time they had sex was "straight up not good" in terms of Kai's feelings.
During this time period, Kai and Sarah got into many text fights. Some of these fights were shared online by Greg. In the fights, it seems Kai was upset with Sarah and Greg for not respecting his feelings. He felt Sarah had lied to him and used him all these years with the intention of having a relationship with him. Sarah denies the accusation from Kai, saying she was planning on keeping her feelings for Kai hidden so that they could remain friends. She even points out she would actively help Kai get back into relationships with Billie in the past.
Throughout these fights, Greg would send supportive text messages to Sarah. At one point, Greg sent an email to Kai and Sarah saying their fighting is stupid and he loved making love to both of them. He says he'd love to do countless things with both of them. (Source)
Sarah had also shared a text fight between Kai and Greg from this time period. She claims Kai had sent her screen shots of this fight to make her feel bad. In the texts, Kai expressed he no longer wants to be friends with Sarah. Greg calls Kai a cold person and accuses Kai of not caring for Sarah after taking her virginity. Kai says they agreed using virginity as a pawn was wrong, but now Greg was resorting to it because it suits his narrative. Kai also points out Greg threatened to end their marriage over this.
Greg later defended what he said in these text by saying he was being delusional and manipulative in those texts. (Source)
Greg says at some point, Kai decided he did not want to be with Sarah. (Source)
Sarah now says she does not understand Greg's claim that she sexually extorted himself and Kai because he was the one that asked her to date him six months after this first time they had slept together. (Source)
Sarah claims that leading up to just dating Greg, she and Kai had conversations about the two of them being just friends with benefits and Sarah dating Kai. She says she wanted emotional love or a commitment.
Sarah claims after stuff happened between the three of them, Greg took her to the airport. He told her she was his girlfriend now. She responded, "you didn't ask me that." He asked her and she said yes. (Source)
Sarah says Kai kept going back and forth on whether or not he wanted to be with Sarah and if he was okay with just Greg dating Sarah. By the end of the relationship, Sarah says she didn't care about how Kai felt. (Source) Greg says Kai began to believe Sarah was trying to steal Greg away from him. (Source)
Last Visit
Sarah claims after she arrived back home, Greg would pressure her to visit. She claims he would call her late at night telling her he missed her. She says one time she and Kai were fighting, so she told Greg she was not going top visit and he began crying over the phone.
Greg claims at some point, Sarah suggested he could visit her instead. Greg says he thought this was crazy because Kai needed to be involved. He can't date someone separately from his marriage. "It had to be a perfect trinity." (Source)
Soon, Kai was planning on visiting family out of state with their children in July. Greg invited Sarah to fly over while his family was away so they could have the house to themselves. Sarah claims Greg even canceled plans with his YouTuber friends so she could visit. She says she insisted on him not canceling the plans and suggested she come along instead. Sarah claims Greg told her he didn't want his YouTuber friends to ask any questions about himself and Sarah. Sarah believed he purposefully kept her away from them because he did not want them to know about their relationship.
Billy claims around this time period, he would ask Greg if he was in any three-way relationships, since he personally knew other women who wanted to be Greg and Kai's third. Billy claims Greg would always respond, "I found out that just one girl is too much work." (Source)
Greg says the agreement he made with Kai was he was not allowed to have "junk to junk" sex or oral sex with Sarah while Kai was away. They were only allowed to kiss. Greg says to get around these rules, he attempted to have sex with Sarah while holding his penis so only the tip would penetrate her. Greg claims Sarah told him to, "cum inside her." He says that was fucked up because she was trying to get pregnant while they were supposed to be there to make the three-way relationship work.
Greg claims Sarah complained his knuckles hurt her while they were intimate in that way, so he suggested "junk to rear" sex. He claims Sarah was immediately down to try. In his 2020 video "a lot", Greg goes into intimate detail about how much Sarah enjoyed their sexual experiences without Kai. He says he needs to include these things so you guys can understand everything and claims it is proof Sarah was "holding back" while they were intimate with Kai.
Greg says his get arounds to Kai's rules were his way of avoiding being dishonest, since he told Kai he would not have genital or oral sex. He says that was manipulative of him. "That is the classic manipulative Onision shit." Sarah considers herself and Greg's actions during this time as cheating. After the relationship, Sarah was not sure if Kai was aware of what she and Greg did. She claims Kai told her he did not want to know what went on, so she did not tell him. (Source)
Sarah claims the first two days at the house was just Greg working, stopping work to have sex with her, then going back to work. She says she just wanted to do teenage first relationship stuff. (Source)
Greg says he took Sarah to see the live-action Aladdin movie. He claims in the theater, Sarah would look up at him, wanting to make out with him. He says he did not want to because Aladdin was such a good movie and he the vibe was off. He claims she guilt tripped and shamed him for not making out with her. He claims she later said she wanted to blow him in the theater. He says she was being creepy. (Source)
Break Up
On the second day of the trip, Greg broke up with Sarah.
Sarah claims Greg told her they needed to stop being intimate because Kai was getting upset. (Source)
Greg says he told Sarah their relationship was only initiated because she blackmailed/sexually extorted himself and Kai. Sarah claims Greg had mentioned the blackmail accusation once over the phone before this. Sarah says she asked if this meant they believe she raped them. She claims both Greg and Kai said no, she did not rape them. Sarah claims Greg did not start accusing her of rape until she went public with her story. Greg claims he accused Sarah of rape when he broke up with her.
Sarah says she asked one more time if Greg was really accusing her of blackmailing him to have sex with her. She says he responded, "yes" so she packed all of her stuff and left the house. Greg claims on her way out Sarah was upset and said, "sorry for raping you guys" twice. He says he was the only one to witness her saying this, but says it is proof he and Kai were raped by Sarah.
Sarah says when she left the house she had no money, no car, and nowhere to go. She says she did not want to spend money on a hotel and it was too late to call her friend, so she planned on sleeping on the street.
Sarah says after three hours, Kai called Sarah to check on her and convinced her to go back to the house. Sarah says she felt bad and didn't want Kai to worry about her. Greg claims Sarah cheerfully answered the phone when Kai called, even though she was upset at the house. He says this is proof of an instantaneous personality switch.
Sarah says when she got back to the house, Greg opened the door for her and did not speak to her. She says she wanted to speak about what had happened, but Greg wanted to be left alone. She says he began treating her poorly, like when she was 16. She claims she cried a lot after that. (Source)
Sarah says one night after their breakup, Greg left to film with his YouTuber friends. Sarah says she was alone in the house crying on the phone to her friend. Billy confirmed Greg filmed with them, but Greg did not tell anyone that Sarah was back at his house. (Source)
Garage
Greg says that night, or the next night, he slept in the garage. He claims he locked himself in the garage because he was afraid Sarah would kill him in his sleep. He claims that if you reject Sarah, she wants you dead and her eyes turn black. He claims she was on medication for Borderline Personality Disorder. He also says while he was in the garage, he spoke to Kai on the phone. He says Kai was happy because he did not want to be in a relationship with Sarah and Greg was finally on the same page as him. Greg says he may have slept in the garage two nights instead of one. (Source)
Interactions Before Leaving
Greg says he would bring Sarah out to eat and once on the way home, Sarah told Greg Kai smoked marijuana. Greg is avidly against smoking marijuana and is known to break up with partners over this. Greg says he confronted Kai, but Kai said he was in the same room when someone else hotboxed. Greg claims this was Sarah's attempt at ruining his relationship with Kai to leave scorched Earth.
Greg says Sarah also helped him build a chicken coup. He says he gave her $150 for helping him and for her birthday. (Source)Sarah claims the last time she saw Greg, he told her if she ever told people about what happened between them, it would ruin his career and family's life. Greg denies saying this and claims Sarah was the one who said this to him. (Source)
Greg says when he took Sarah to the airport, he hugged her as she cried into his shirt. He says he apologized for it not working out and told her he did love and care about her. He wished her the best. Greg claims Sarah told him she just wanted to know what it was like to have a boyfriend. Greg says this was further proof Sarah did not care about Kai. (Source)
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